Because Christian worship is not supposed to be about you.
Thanks for sharing the clips....
Thanks for making me want to pour bleach in my eyes. I know it's an obvious question, but it needs to be asked: "WHAT THE HELL DOES ANY OF THAT HAVE TO DO WITH JESUS CHRIST?!?!!"
and the award for liturgical shenannigan of the year goes to...
And I was SO hoping that you wouldn't see this! To think that I used to be able to kid my brother the Episcopalian about Clown Eucharists!!
I'm taking a wild guess here ... All creatures great and small? At first I thought the animals were loading the ark, but was confused by the floating jellyfish and the bear leading the processional that looks like the one from the California State flag I guess I give up trying to figure this out.On a lighter note, the stoles seem fairly subdued AND there is an attractive banner featured at around the 3 minute mark which resembles the vestment in the "Things That Are Not Sins" thread.MMG
a terrifying tribute to creation...and with canned pan pipes.
The kids with the streamers on sticks look so depressed...in fact, everyone looks depressed. It's not even so much that this thing is ridiculous, or pagan-- it's just that everyone looks like they -know- it's ridiculous, and they don't believe in paganism any more than they believe in Christianity-- but they're afraid to say so.
Ok - well.... I didn't get it either. But to be fair this is only the processional taken out of context and we don't know what followed - maybe it all made sense in context!?! The music would have been way cooler if it had been live and not on a loop - it got very tiresome. The liturgical vestments were rather limited - I suppose as expected. I agree with the comment above - some of the stoles were very beautiful. But there was no coordination and some wore robes, some didn't some wore a stole with clerics and no robe, some wore academic outfits. All that makes it seem so haphazard.
I liked the bear, skunks and rabbit. The rest was not so good. And I agree about the canned music. It was interesting to note that the young people seemed to be having the "least fun" in the procession.
The Episcopalians are not to be outdone...here the Puppets of Doom make an appearance on Christmas Eve at St. John the Divine NYC...they check in at 1:32...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fw6fIdG7a4&feature=relatedBDP
No comment on the random animals and streamers. It always makes me laugh a little to see protestants like Presbyterians parading around with stoles? Don't they realize that the stole is a symbol of the sacrificial priesthood ... one of those things that they so happily purged at the reformation? (Aside: I recall Geoffrey Wainwright making fun of Methodists who wore stoles. My limited experience in Methodist congregations does suggests that for many of these folks vestments are little more than colorful decoration.)
Taking into consideration the ultra-violent bloodbath that is the origin of calvinism, this is really an improvement! I grew up calvinist and I can attest to that. This kind of silliness never happened in my church!I always wanted more tradition and not less. When I realized the the PCA and ARBCA were not going to give it to me, that was it. I was tempted to go on a diatribe about theology and why calvinism is wrong, but I'll save it for later.I do have one thing to add.I am really glad I am Orthodox!
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DId the smuch with sage to the four winds???This New Age presentation, go great spirit of the bear! is horriblebut as a Catholic I'm sorry to say the congregation still dresses in Sunday clothes, you know,dresses suits and ties. :(Mary
I watched this, then followed the link to the 9/10/09 posting. Wondering if the puppets stolen from Easter Island (who I expected to High Five at the end -- wouldn't that be perfect with those giant hands?)were the best, I've spent the last 2 hours reviewing all entries back to the begining, laughing loudly enough several times to wake my sleeping family. This blog is just too funny. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Whoa! It's Calvin Camp at Burning Man!
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that, wherever you see this kind of nonsense, 1. Their children will be Wiccan. 2. Their grandchildren will be Muslim.
Theophil Jones: HA HA HA!!!! Funniest comment.I have no idea what is supposed to begoing on here. Is this a camp?
Between the animals and the waving of the "Ahserah Poles" I figured that this must be some kind of worship of the fertility god's. Then I remembered America's love affair with contraception. So I guess they just love stupid puppets.
In my 40 years of liturgical ministry I have seen this type of display too many times. Heck... I can remember thinking, "Wow! Isn't this great?" Then I caught myself thinking, "How entertaining." I believe the good folks who plan these events are trying to do something meaningful and cerebral with a broad nod to being inclusive. What they end up with is a mish-mosh of too many meanings confusing the brain and not including anyone because no one can figure out the point of the liturgical action. Which is to say, there is no liturgical action. As a historical note, we have done this exact same thing in the Catholic Church. Not because of Vatican II (as some might state) but because we did not properly chew on and digest the teachings of Vatican II. Any and all Christian denominations can end up with this kind of public worship. No one is imune.
I've always thought pan flute music was nothing less than torture. The rest of this festival of bad taste was worthy of any amount of ridicule that can be heaped upon it. Why would anyone take whatever happend after this seriously? Towards the end of the clip it looks like some people are walking out-probably to go and weep for their church. Then again maybe they were going to get the golden calf.
I'd have never guessed these were Presbyterians... at least, not until I saw the clergy types in their preaching gowns. Looks like some Roman Catholic conference opening or closing Eucharist.
Ron Jones,Not true. If this even started to happen in an Orthodox church the priest would be anathemized, people would physically stop them if they could and if not, they'd leave.
The sound you hear is John Calvin rolling in his grave.
Okay, I guess I come in as the token Presbyterian (PCUSA) since it is our recent General Assembly featured. Unfortunately, Youtube and I have a slight dispute ever the age of my computer and I can not watch the video. I can make a couple of comments based on some of the comments above. If you asked a cross section of Presbyterians, you would not get any clear prospective on what pastors should wear. There are even people who have no idea what is behind the Liturgical Year and colors. Our Directory of Worship is not as detailed about things like rubrics as many of the commenters are used to. We do have some bright spots when it comes to worship and we also have our fair share of things certianly appropriate for this blog. I cheer when things are good and cry when things are bad. I have found that the use of stoles does not seen to have the same meaning as a sign of the priesthood. Frequently when a Minister of Word and Sacrament, as we call them, is ordained, they are presented with a stole(s) as a sign of their new office. We also have the custom and I am sure there will be many who will find this offensive or repulsive, of using a stole as a sign of a lay office. The lady at the beginning of the video is Linda Valentine, (red Guatamalen stole over dress) Executive Director of the General Assembly Council. While she is an Elder, (a lay designation) she would have also been ordained as an Elder, and installed to her current position. Interestingly, with the exception of several questions about the sacraments for ministers, Elders answer all of the same questions when they are ordained. Frequently, when someone is elected to a position like hers, they are presented with a stole as a symbol of the office, hence they are not always in a seasonal color or even a liturgical design. My Presbytery has a stole that is passed from Moderator to Moderator at instalation and is blue and may have the logo of the presbytery on it. I have no clue why it is blue. It is however a well designed piece. Unfortunately we do have a history of puppets, When General Assembly met in Philadelphia 20 years ago, we had a outdoor festival and we had large puppets of important presbyterians, I know, I helped guide one of them.
1. How can you tell it's Presbyterian? because despite the Processional by Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, many of the young boys look like extras from "Leave it to Beaver" (a good name for this whole exercise, actually): shirts tucked in, with belted pants. Where do you see that anywhere except Presby churches?2. I thought the jumbotron was a nice touch- too bad the video cut out before the organ started playing the "Chicken Dance."
Thanks for the laugh - maybe this is why several former Presbyterians have made bewildering, at least to this cradle Catholic to "changes", "eccentricities", "oddities," and "novelties" in Presbyterian worship on The Journey Home show at EWTN. Oh my - if worship follows theology than these Presbyterians have a real problem. It's the dissident Catholics who go in for the clowns, puppets, tie-dyed vestments, etc. Take a look at New Liturgical Movement's Website if you want to be dazzled by beauty and reverence. It'll cheer you up, I promise.
this is so depressing because of the fact that this is not worship, it is a production. I cannot possibly understand how ANYONE can trully worship our Lord God and Savior in such a clearly theatrical setting. It really is so very sad.
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